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NY 25 Truck missing
mariethefoxy:
The database is missing NY 25 Truck which is a truck route on the North Fork of Long Island to get around a low railroad overpass in Mattituck. It is well signed out there in the field.
Going West to East
40.9673 -72.5627 NY25_W (Western Terminus)
40.9864 -72.5759 SoundAve_W
40.9881 -72.5519 SoundAve_E (begin multiplex with Suffolk CR48)
41.0457,-72.4659 HenrysLn
41.07530,-72.42534 BosAve
41.1104,-72.3765 MooresLn
41.113997, -72.368059 NY25_E
Also there is the short NY 25C, technically a hidden route but signs were placed on it.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7525241,-73.7014251,3a,75y,80.18h,76.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szJiij8pA864sLcW1ZUJnPg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7547785,-73.6885756,3a,75y,255.82h,89.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srbJ-xQ43geW9rejOe6TzcQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I leave that up to the judges if that counts as a NY state highway for the logs or not
here is waypoints for it anyway.
40.75254,-73.70164 LakeVilleRd
40.75480,-73.68780 NHPRd
vdeane:
I've heard about this one before, though I've never seen signs posted in street view (and I don't remember any specific to this one when I drove there in 2015, though I may have been going the wrong direction). Is it new?
There's also another Truck NY 25 in Greenport, using Moores Lane and North Road.
Some others we're missing:
-Truck NY 14 (Elmira): Clemens Center Parkway, Grand Central Avenue, McCanns Boulevard
-Truck NY 17C (Waverly): Broad Street Extension, William Donnelly Indus Parkway (not sure if this one counts; Bing streetside only shows "Truck Route" signs, not "Truck NY 17C" or "Truck Route NY 17C", but I've heard Region 9 refer to it as Truck NY 17C before)
-Truck NY 27 (Brooklyn): 10th Street, McDonald Avenue, Church Avenue
-Truck NY 32 (Glens Falls): Oakland Avenue
-Truck NY 340: William Street, Main Street
I believe there is a Bypass NY 125 in Scarsdale not in the system as well.
Regarding NY 25C, it was decommissioned a while ago and the signs seem to be erroneous. If it were to be added, it would bring up the question of why the signed reference routes (most notably NY 990V) aren't in the system.
There's been an issue on this in GitHub for a while. Ultimately, it comes down to the question of if the truck routes should be in the system. NYSDOT Main Office doesn't consider them official and has no inventory of them. They're signed by a mix of municipalities and the Regions and I'm not aware of an inventory at the regional level either. Signage isn't consistent either; while some are the traditional bannered "Truck NY (or US) XX", others are "Truck Route NY XX" (often the route number only appears on the first sign directing trucks on the route and the other turns and reassurance shields are simply "Truck Route") or simply "Truck Route".
yakra:
There's been discussion of NY Truck Routes before, going back to the CHM days.
I kinda wanna read up on the earlier discussion in those threads before taking action; GMSV around & see what I can see, how things may differ among the truck routes already in the HB... oh dear... Mission Creep... :)
Right now though, I am leaning more towards including it than not. (FWIW, NY29TrkSar and NY9PTrkSar were added at my recommendation back in 2011/2012.)
In the meantime, I've put together a draft route file from the coords and labels you posted, and can start GMSVing around there.
As for NY25C, I'll have a look through the Traffic Data Report, TDV, etc.
yakra:
I only found one sign for NY25Trk. Dunno if that's really enough to lobby for including it...
--- Quote ---I believe there is a Bypass NY 125 in Scarsdale not in the system as well.
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Similarly, I opted to leave this out due to incomplete / not fully convincing signage.
There's some discussion in this thread.
--- Quote from: vdeane on October 11, 2016, 01:31:25 pm ---Bypass NY 125 is not considered part of the state system by Main Office, making it similar to the bannered Truck routes (which are either Truck NY X or Truck Route NY X, the usage of which appears to vary by region) in NY, so it should probably be handled the same way as whatever we decide to do for the truck routes.
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--- Quote ---Regarding NY 25C, it was decommissioned a while ago and the signs seem to be erroneous. If it were to be added, it would bring up the question of why the signed reference routes (most notably NY 990V) aren't in the system.
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Shown as Reference Route 900F in the Traffic Data Viewer. Looks like it was decommed, and should be left out.
As for the rest of the truck routes, I'm going to kick that can down the road. I'll copy @vdeane's list over to the GitHub issue (it's on my watchlist) to keep track of the info, and then mark this topic as solved for housekeeping purposes.
Jim:
I remain in favor of dropping them entirely, as more trouble than they're worth.
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