Travel Mapping
Highway Data Discussion => In-progress Highway Systems & Work => Completed Highway Systems Threads => Topic started by: michih on September 25, 2016, 08:54:57 am
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The system is drafted and in preview now.
However, there's a little issue we have to clarify before it can be activated.
According to the Swiss law (https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/19910382/index.html), there are:
Autobahnen,
Kantonale Autobahnen,
(Kantonale) Autostrassen and
Hauptstrassen.
Our tier 1 chea system contains Autobahnen and the new tier 4 cheh system contains Hauptstrassen but what's about "Kantonale Autobahnen" (regional Autobahns) and "Autostrassen"? Most of them are contained in the existing systems but some are missing. They are access-controlled and grade-separted but two-way roads, one carriageway only. They're not signed.
I've drafted the missing routes (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/811) but I've no idea to which system we should put them.
Status of "Kantonale Autobahnen" (official list, 1st January 2016 version) (https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/19910382/index.html#app1):
Lyss (Nord)-Schönbühl (N1) --> A6
Muri (N6)-Rüfenacht (H10) --> MISSING che.zubruf Zubringer Rüfenacht --> median but each c/w has 1 lane only
Reinach-Hagnau (N2) --> A18
Augst (N2)-Liestal (Nord) --> A22
Liestal (Süd)-Sissach (N2) --> A22
Rohr-Aarau (Ost) (N1) --> H5
Baar (N4)-Walterswil (ZG) --> A4a/H4
Umfahrung Glattfelden --> A50
Bülach (Nord)-Kloten (N1b) --> A51
Brüttisellen (N1)-Volketswil-Uster (Ost) --> A53
Hinwiler Kreuz-Rüti-(ZH/SG) --> A53
Eschenbach-Reichenburg (N3) --> A53
Crêt du Locle-La Chaux-de-Fonds (Ouest) --> H20
Les Hauts-Geneveys-Neuchâtel-Vauseyon (N5) --> H20
Status of "Kantonale Autostrassen" (official list, 1st January 2016 version) (https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/19910382/index.html#app1):
Biel-Brüggmoos (N5)-Lyss (Nord) --> A6
Eggfluhtunnel --> MISSING che.egggre Eggfluhtunnel Grellingen
Aesch (BL) (H18)-Reinach --> A18
Liestal (Nord)-Liestal (Süd) --> A22
Umfahrung Sissach --> A22
(ZH/SG)-Eschenbach --> A53
La Chaux-de-Fonds (Sud)-Les Hauts-Geneveys --> H20
Gals-Ins --> MISSING che.galsins Autostrasse Gals - Ins
Martigny-Expo (N9)-Martigny-Croix --> H21
Frasnacht-Rorschach --> A1.1
Aeroporto Locarno-Ascona --> A13
Mendrisio (N2)-Stabio (Est) --> MISSING che.supmensta Superstrada Mendrisio - Stabio
Spiez (N8)-Mülenen --> MISSING che.h223 Autostrasse Spiez - Mülenen
Umfahrung Zurzach --> H7
Oensingen (N1)-Äussere Klus --> MISSING che.autoenklu Autostrasse Oensingen - Klus
Werthenstein-Blatten --> H10?
Zumikon-Forch-Hinwiler Kreuz --> A52
Hinwil-Hinwiler Kreuz --> MISSING che.uebhin Ueberlandstrasse Hinwil
Lustmühle-Teufen --> MISSING che.umfteu Umfahrung Teufen
Umfahrung Hausen --> MISSING che.zubhau Zubringer Hausen
Thayngen-Mutzentäli (N4) --> A4
Umfahrung Bazenheid --> MISSING che.umfbaz Umfahrung Bazenheid (T16/SG13?)
Umfahrung Lichtensteig --> MISSING che.umflicwat Umfahrung Lichtensteig und Wattwil (T16/SG13?)
Umfahrung Wattwil --> MISSING che.umflicwat Umfahrung Lichtensteig und Wattwil (T16/SG13?)
Umfahrung Ebnat-Kappel --> MISSING che.umfebnkap Umfahrung Ebnat-Kappel (T16/SG13?)
The missing routes are in a higher category compared to cheh (tier 4) but they have 1 carriageway only. Again, I don't know where to put them. My thoughts:
- Adding to eursf tier 2 system [con: 1 c/w only]
- Another new cheas (Switzerland Autostrassen) tier 4 system in addition to cheh [con: cheas incomplete b/c most routes are already chea or cheh]
- New cheas (Switzerland Autostrassen) tier 4 system, cheh to tier 5 [con: cheas incomplete b/c most routes are already chea or cheh]
- New eursor (Europe Select Other Roads) tier 5 system (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=436) [con: it seems that the eursor idea will be rejected]
- New chesor (Switzerland Select Other Roads) tier 5 system [con: it's higher than cheh]
What do you think?
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System is ready for peer-review now: tm.teresco.org/hb/index.php?sys=cheh (http://tm.teresco.org/hb/index.php?sys=cheh).
Some general notes about Swiss routes:
- The above mentioned Autostrassen are eursf routes now because they have a similar or even higher road standard compared to other tier-2 systems
- I'm not sure if I should add "Svincolo Lugano Sud" b/n A2 and H2 to eursf and split A2 exit 50?
- I've added A6 exit 11b (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/876) although I couldn't find any numbering but I also couldn't find any numbering for the existing waypoint "11a". The order 11a/11b should be changed but "11a" is a point in use...
- 3-digit Hauptstrassen are generally not signed
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H1 - 2(ZubLet) -> ZubLet(2); 3(ZubLet) -> ZubLet(3)
H2 - as the main route, doesn't need the (Luzern); route goes through Sissach?; needs shaping point south of H561_Chi
H2Air - fine
H2a - fine
H2b - fine
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I've drafted the missing routes (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/811) but I've no idea to which system we should put them.
Muri (N6)-Rüfenacht (H10) --> MISSING che.zubruf Zubringer Rüfenacht --> median but each c/w has 1 lane only
Eggfluhtunnel --> MISSING che.egggre Eggfluhtunnel Grellingen
Gals-Ins --> MISSING che.galsins Autostrasse Gals - Ins
Mendrisio (N2)-Stabio (Est) --> MISSING che.supmensta Superstrada Mendrisio - Stabio
Spiez (N8)-Mülenen --> MISSING che.h223 Autostrasse Spiez - Mülenen
Oensingen (N1)-Äussere Klus --> MISSING che.autoenklu Autostrasse Oensingen - Klus
Hinwil-Hinwiler Kreuz --> MISSING che.uebhin Ueberlandstrasse Hinwil
Lustmühle-Teufen --> MISSING che.umfteu Umfahrung Teufen
Umfahrung Hausen --> MISSING che.zubhau Zubringer Hausen
Umfahrung Bazenheid --> MISSING che.umfbaz Umfahrung Bazenheid (T16/SG13?)
Umfahrung Lichtensteig --> MISSING che.umflicwat Umfahrung Lichtensteig und Wattwil (T16/SG13?)
Umfahrung Wattwil --> MISSING che.umflicwat Umfahrung Lichtensteig und Wattwil (T16/SG13?)
Umfahrung Ebnat-Kappel --> MISSING che.umfebnkap Umfahrung Ebnat-Kappel (T16/SG13?)
The missing routes are in a higher category compared to cheh (tier 4) but they have 1 carriageway only. Again, I don't know where to put them. My thoughts:
- Adding to eursf tier 2 system [con: 1 c/w only]
Seems an easy default dumping ground for these awkward routes. I'll have a look later and see if suitable.
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The missing routes are in a higher category compared to cheh (tier 4) but they have 1 carriageway only. Again, I don't know where to put them. My thoughts:
- Adding to eursf tier 2 system [con: 1 c/w only]
Seems an easy default dumping ground for these awkward routes. I'll have a look later and see if suitable.
It was already done about 4 weeks later: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/845
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The missing routes are in a higher category compared to cheh (tier 4) but they have 1 carriageway only. Again, I don't know where to put them. My thoughts:
- Adding to eursf tier 2 system [con: 1 c/w only]
Seems an easy default dumping ground for these awkward routes. I'll have a look later and see if suitable.
It was already done about 4 weeks later: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/845
well that saves me a job!
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If memory serves, I just asked before I went on a trip to France and Luxembourg last fall. I drove luxb routes which have 1 c/w only but are a tier 2 system. For that reason, I also put these Swiss routes to eursf system, tier 2.
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H3 - fine
H4 - ZubWie_Wie -> ZubWie(3); ZubWie_Bru -> ZubWie(2)
H4Sch - fine
If possible, exit numbers rather than suffixes.
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H5 - A5_Vau -> A5(4); A5_Bev -> A5(6); A5_Bou -> A5(7); A5_Are -> A5(8); A5_NeuW -> A5(10); A5_Ser -> A5(11); A5_Mal -> A5(13); A5_Mon -> A5(14); A5_Lan -> A5(19); A5_Nev -> A5(20)
H6 - A16_Por -> A16(5); A16_Cou -> A16(6); A16_DelE -> A16(11); A16_Cho -> A16(12) and move to be on H6 route; A16_SonN -> A16(18); A16_SonS -> A16(18a); A16_Heu -> A16(19) and move onto H6; A16_LysN -> A6(5); A6_Wan -> A6(11b); A6_Ber -> A6(12); A6_Mur -> A6(13); A8_Gue -> A8(20); A8_Lei_W _> A8(21); 22(A8) -> A8(22); 23(A8) -> A8(23); add point at fork on A8 and H6?; A8_Unt -> A8(30)
H7 - doesn't need to be called Winterthur; A50_GlaW -> A50_W; A50_GlaE -> A50_E; A1_Win -> A1(69); A1_Obe -> A1(78); A1_Rhe -> A1(85)
H7Ste - fine
H8 - fine
H9 - A9_Vil -> A9(16); A9_BexS -> A9(19); A9_Mau -> A9(20); point for road linking to A9 exit 23; A9_SieW -> A9(28); A9_SieE -> A9(29); A9_Gam -> A9(31)
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H6 - 22(A8) -> A8(22); 23(A8) -> A8(23)
I've made all modifications but I don't agree with this suggestion because H6 is concurrent with A8 here.
I'll check H10 to H30 for the suffix vs. exit number issue soon. Afterwards, you can complete your review :)
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H6 - 22(A8) -> A8(22); 23(A8) -> A8(23)
I've made all modifications but I don't agree with this suggestion because H6 is concurrent with A8 here.
I don't particularly like it, but the consensus was for consistent numbering. Keep it.
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H20 - fine
H21 - fine
H21Mar - fine
H22 - fine
H23 - fine
H24 - fine
H25 - fine
H26 - fine
H27 - add point for Bever (grade-separated); CHE/AUT_Mar move onto main H27 route and call it B185; CHE/AUT_Sch -> CHE/AUT
H28 - PraStr_Kub move to overbridge; add shaping points on Kublis and Saas bypasses
H29 - fine
H30 - fine
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Done. Should I generally add additional shaping points to make clear if the route is via the bypass or through the village when drafting other routes?
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Depends if it looks as if the route is going through the town or not.
The remaining routes are on the way, Mapnik taking ages to load means it will probably be an hour for me to do the 5 routes I've not yet done.
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The remaining routes are on the way, Mapnik taking ages to load means it will probably be an hour for me to do the 5 routes I've not yet done.
Ok, no hurry. Mapnik is currently working fine for me (only SSC is down) but I sometimes have a similar problem. IIRC, a webbrowser restart sometimes worked once...
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The remaining routes are on the way, Mapnik taking ages to load means it will probably be an hour for me to do the 5 routes I've not yet done.
Ok, no hurry. Mapnik is currently working fine for me (only SSC is down)
SSC is backIIRC, a webbrowser restart sometimes worked once...
I've done that about twice today, and a couple of times yesterday - it's no biggy, I just move the map, do something else while it loads, and go and look at it.
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I've done that about twice today, and a couple of times yesterday - it's no biggy, I just move the map, do something else while it loads, and go and look at it.
Yep, that's how I know it... Grey segments... Sometimes they disappear, sometimes they remain for ages. A general software rule is that reloading something again and again doesn't help - it even increases total loading times - but with this issue it's different. Suddently the grey segments disappear - minimum the segment of the specific map segment needed. However, you need a lot of luck... :)
btw: It's a general issue also happening on wikimapia.org, not a CHM/TM-specific issue. And it's only Mapnik.
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H10 - fine
H11 - fine
H12 - H2_Lie -> A22_Alt
H13 - move H332.1 to actual junction (the rest of these sorts of junctions are like that)
H14 - fine
H15 - add a complementary point for H345_W;
H16 - need to split at CHE/LIE border; CHE/AUT -> LIE/AUT
H17 - H339 needs moving onto highway
H17Unt - is there a better name, like "Universitat Zurich" - none of it is Unterstrasse?; doesn't seem to be signed; does it really form a complete loop concurrent with H1 and H4 or is it just the H1-H17 bit alongside the University?
H18 - add a complementary point for H267_S (and they probably should be _E and _W)
H19 - fine
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H13 - move H332.1 to actual junction (the rest of these sorts of junctions are like that)
There is a ramp northwest of the overpass. That means, it's an (incomplete) interchange. Wp at overpass seems to be correct to me.
H16 - need to split at CHE/LIE border; CHE/AUT -> LIE/AUT
You're right :) It's the first time I have a route in more than one region. Would be great if you could have a quick look at my commit: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/1449/commits/a339188bc0402528c586db882d940c6bdbdfcd05 (cheh.csv, cheh_con.csv and LIE/cheh directory under hwy_data).
Thanks :)
I think I'll activate the system tomorrow.
btw: LIE is my first region clinched (5.65mi of 5.65mi) 8)
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Looks good.