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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by neroute2 on April 11, 2024, 08:21:08 pm »

MD National Road:

Eastbound uses Mulberry and westbound uses Locust in Hagerstown. Neither direction uses Potomac.

Eastbound in Frederick uses East Street, while MD 144 east continues to Franklin. But westbound is the same. So should the overlap be broken or not?

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by Duke87 on April 11, 2024, 07:07:53 pm »

Also the BC routes need to be moved to a cantr system as those are not in the United States.

Breaking up a connected route because there's an international border there seems dumb. Either we tolerate an International Route in a USA system, or the system becomes natr.

I would be fine with making it natr.

Though, this plus the GSP/PIP drama keeping usanyp from being activated suggests to me that really the ideal would be to have it be possible to have connected routes that span multiple systems. But I can appreciate that this is probably not easy to implement without a massive rework of things due to how each system gets its own _con.csv.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by neroute2 on April 11, 2024, 06:34:49 pm »

National Road in WV/PA:

Camino Road in WV, Old National Pike in PA

Old National Pike west of Washington

Old National Pike thru Centerville and east

Main Street thru Addison

Old Route 40 near the Maryland line

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by neroute2 on April 11, 2024, 06:17:21 pm »

I can't find any National Road signs in downtown Columbus OH; https://gis3.dot.state.oh.us/ScenicByways/HNR.html shows it using either Grant or Drexel, not 3rd/4th. https://www.franklincountyengineer.org/wp-content/uploads/PDF/TravelersGuide.pdf (p. 26) says the National Road originally used High and later moved to Drexel, giving Drexel as the route to follow now.

Bridgeville Drive west of Norwich

US 40 west of Cambridge, NOT Manila Road (but Fairdale Road is signed)

Peacock Road west of Old Washington has a small OLD NATIONAL ROAD TOUR sign (posted by Guernsey County).

This tour sign points right, implying it loops east to use Old National Road thru Old Washington - and this is a bigger sign confirming it.

There's another tour sign on Bridgewater Road west of SR 513, but I don't see any east of SR 513. Perhaps this should be a gap, since half of our route was never the National Road. Or take it on I-70 like https://gis3.dot.state.oh.us/ScenicByways/HNR.html shows, but there doesn't seem to be any signage to the east to and along SR 800 either. So have a gap until I-70 exit 204?

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by Markkos1992 on April 11, 2024, 05:32:32 pm »

Also, there's a spur for the Seaway Trail in Erie following PA 832.

I saw that when I decided to replace the previous nearby hidden shaping point on PA 832. 

Is there a way for me to prove whether this supposed spur goes into Presque Isle State Park or ends at the state park line like PA 832 itself?  This page seems to indicate that it goes into the park.

I did loop the spur into the park leading to a Duplicate Coordinates Error that I will have to mark as a FP.  https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/7328

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Updates to Highway Data / Re: MS US 61 Business (Vicksburg)

« Last post by froggie on April 11, 2024, 05:10:51 pm »

If there's actually a signed Historic US 80 route, I'd be open to adding that given precedent elsewhere (and the usaush system).  But as noted (and discussed previously on the forum), I am not adding Business routes.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by mapcat on April 11, 2024, 05:02:51 pm »

The routing for the National Road in Ohio differs slightly from what ODOT has highlighted here: https://gis3.dot.state.oh.us/ScenicByways/HNR.html

I haven't checked everything, but TM's routing on the west side of Cambridge is contradicted by at least one sign.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by Highway63 on April 11, 2024, 03:26:56 pm »

Typo in the IA Belle Plaine Lincoln Highway loop (LinHwyLpBel): 135th St->13thSt.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by neroute2 on April 11, 2024, 01:48:36 pm »

National Road in Indiana (mostly US 40):
Ohio line
Main Street thru Richmond to presumably 5th Street (where old Automobile Blue Books have traffic turn)
Old National Road thru Dunreith-Ogden-Raysville
Old US 40 thru Indy
Example sign on US 40
35E/25W east of Putnamville
750S west of Manhattan
SR 340
Wabash Avenue in Terre Haute
Old US 40 in West Terre Haute
Illiana Drive near the state line

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by si404 on April 11, 2024, 01:42:13 pm »

Also the BC routes need to be moved to a cantr system as those are not in the United States.

Breaking up a connected route because there's an international border there seems dumb. Either we tolerate an International Route in a USA system, or the system becomes natr.

The BC routes also seem at first glance to be completely concurrent with canbc routes. To me, including such routes in a tourist route system is a waste of effort, both for whoever is developing the system, and also potential headaches for the maintainers of the concurrent routes. This is different from, say, the Lincoln Highway, which seems to include significant mileage not already in TM.

I understand, and accept this argument (though personally I'm unfussed about a plethora of concurrent routes) - it does make everything harder to maintain. However the route is not entirely concurrent with other routes: the south side of this route and the southeast corner of this route are not.

Plus, if we didn't include it, it would be the only multi-state All American Road (well, after I've got the Volcanic Legacy Scenic Byway added to this system this evening) that we didn't include on TM (as far as possible to do so) as a single route. OK, the Beartooth Highway is in as US212, and the Newfound Gap Road Byway as US441, rather than under their names.

Also, the BC routes seem to be deemed part of an international Selkirk route system reaching into Idaho. Those Idaho routes not only are concurrent with Idaho state routes, but I've driven many of those concurrent routes, and never saw any signage indicating they were part of any scenic route system, Selkirk or otherwise. (Ditto the BC routes, though I haven't traveled them as extensively as the Idaho routes.)

You never saw the signs? I found, on Streetview, that these were pretty average in terms of signage - not tons of signs, but only maybe 1 or 2 junctions where it was hard to find signs.

Below are 5 for each of the three jurisdictions (all at different junctions).
BC: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
ID: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
WA: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5