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Offline Spinoza

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Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2017, 05:01:29 am »
ANAS is in the process of regaining ownership of some roads previously transferred to Regions and Provinces.

Here's the list:
http://www.stradeanas.it/it/conferenza-unificata-libera-al-trasferimento-ad-anas-di-oltre-3500-km-rete-nazionale-e-regionale

Not sure when the actual transfer will take place.

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Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2017, 06:01:13 am »
There were (I've only really got the North left to do) various routes in Marche (in particular) that ANAS listed, but didn't have a trace on and had descriptions like "SS456: from ex SS123" with SS123's listing having "from exSS456". I added a couple of them that were more major, even though mapping had them as SR routes, while left the ones I found it hard to trace. However these all seem to be coming back.

I believe Trentino-Sud-Tyrol signs the SS routes its provinces maintain as SS roads, rather than not having any.

And the whole creation of routes would be so much easier if they didn't break every time there was a newish bypass that had a bannered route (mostly Var) or - in the case of SS9 that I did last night - were discontinuous at every town of size mostly because of bypasses in the SS7xx range.

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Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2017, 07:37:24 am »
I believe Trentino-Sud-Tyrol signs the SS routes its provinces maintain as SS roads, rather than not having any.

This is true, Trentino and Alto-Adige are autonomous regions, and have a lot of state-like competences. The SS routes there are still named as such, and basically are, even though they are managed by the autonomous provinces.

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And the whole creation of routes would be so much easier if they didn't break every time there was a newish bypass that had a bannered route (mostly Var) or - in the case of SS9 that I did last night - were discontinuous at every town of size mostly because of bypasses in the SS7xx range.

Amen to that...

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Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2017, 02:18:12 pm »
"It ass" is a very good description for this system (is Italian Road Numbering the worst in the EU?), but I 'only' have 50 routes left (unless I find yet more hiding in TAA), so it's almost there with the current lot (obviously there's the new bunch mentioned upthread) and I expect to be finished in the next couple of days.

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Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2017, 04:22:21 pm »
(is Italian Road Numbering the worst in the EU?)

You've not yet completed grceo...

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Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2017, 07:20:27 pm »
Greece's isn't as bad - the issues I've found are more to do with alphabet, mountains, and most importantly: poor signage and mapping.

Italy's is logical, reasonably well signed, and most importantly: utterly crazy in its fastidiousness for the rules. This means SS routes going through towns and over passes while the province has bypassed it with a high quality SP road, or routes breaking because they haven't gone and fixed all the chainage markers downstream of an improvement so its SS123-SS123 Var-SS123.

Spain's Autovia/pista numbering comes a very close second with the prefix proliferation, but it doesn't have the annoying features Italy has, save on rare occasion - its sins are different.

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Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2017, 10:51:10 am »
SS49 wayppint SS49_S should be renamed to SS49bis. The E66 wp should also be renamed.

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Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2017, 04:42:06 am »
The end waypoint of SS77Fol should be renamed SS3 instead of SS3Bis.

Also, SS16 dir/b near Ancona (Marche) is missing from the list.
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Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2017, 03:44:47 pm »

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Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2017, 04:35:28 pm »
It's the second Dir route, so 'b'. I deliberately left it off in the hopes that no one would miss this short route that doesn't connect to any other. However I've done it now.

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Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2017, 04:59:51 am »
SS1:
New wp @SP128 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.471907&lon=11.235634
New wp @SP105 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.356035&lon=11.591810
SP104 wp is off track and nothing intersects here, it's the beginning of the new A12 section


SS1bis:
Why is it not called by a csv entry?
It ends in Vetrala according to OSM/GM
SS675 wp label is not perfect because SS675 is u/c to be extended to the west by 2018. There will be a new SS675 exit/wp at a different location


SS1civ:
I think it ends anywhere in Roma, see OSM and GSV
New wp @SP15b http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.923027&lon=12.188934
GSJ @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.935994&lon=12.133386
Shouldn't SS698 being extended to SS1 ViaIso wp?


SS1dir:
fine


SSdirGri:
fine


SS1liv:
SP9 should be moved to the junction
SP4Bis or SP4bis ? It's a general issue...
FILI --> SGCFirLiv
FIPI --> SGCFirPisa
A11 --> A11_S
A15 should be moved to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.133793&lon=9.899368
Please add a shape point to A15 south of the exit because both routes look like being concurrent on mapview


SS1rac:
Should be SS1racc with double c?
I tried to find signs on GSV but I couldn't fine one. Should it be removed?


SS1rap:
fine


SS1sav:
Is ViaSanGla really necessary?
SP8_W should be moved to the roundabout
Is ViaGiaCoz really necessary?
Is CorAugMom really necessary?
See SSvarvar for wp label (name)


SS1var:
See SS1Rac for wp label (name)
Shoud it be var/a?


SS1varvar:
IS SSvarvar really signed? It's not indicated on OSM/GM and I couldn*t find a sign on GSV

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Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2017, 02:34:20 pm »
SS3:
GSJ @  http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.014026&lon=12.748003
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.923227&lon=12.727693


SS675/E45:
Concurrency is broken twice


SS3bis (and concurrent E45):
SP7_C wp must be moved to the interchange
Exceeds limits b/n SP138_C and ViaPonSor
ViaBas --> SR221?
Not sure if SS219 should be repositioned but SP175_N, StrBra, SP175_S, SS318_N, ViaVal, ViaTra, SP375_N, SP375_S, SP400, ViaTab and ViaRis must be repositioned


SS3nar:
Are you sure about the northern end? OSM and GM indicate it up to SS79/SS675. I had a quick look and found signs at a roundabount in Terni


SS4:
Exceeds limits b/n SS685 and SP61
Bac_W: The exit is called "Sud" (South)


SS4dir:
Fine


SS4:
Source? It is not indicated on GM, SP236 on OSM but a SS4 sign (I guess an old sign or meaning "to") on October 2016 GSV. I found remove the route if there is no other evidence. I even found SS16/SS18 here: November 2014 GSV but there is only SS4 and SS81...

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Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2017, 04:55:34 am »
Some basic general response to these review points before I look at specifics.

My source for endpoints/route existence is the ANAS directory of routes. As such, there are some odd ends and unsigned routes. Signage in Italy is often misleading as to whether it the road number is a 'to', or the actual number, or just outdated. I'll happily extend a short distance to a logical endpoint (eg through a town to another route) if there is a sign.

Rac is indeed Racc, but there's a 3-character Banner limit and 'SPUR' banners have always been Spr and Racc banners have always been Rac

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Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2017, 12:17:00 pm »
Linguistic nitpick here: the name of the system should be Strade Statale - the noun and adjective need to match in number and gender.  :)

Una Strada Statala
Due Strade Statale

"Strada Statale" is a singular noun with a plural adjective.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2017, 12:19:34 pm by Duke87 »