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Offline Duke87

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Various changes needed in RI
« on: March 19, 2017, 10:44:31 pm »
Some notes from the ground yesterday. There is a new street in Apponaug, Veternas Memorial Dr, which is the cause of much of this.

US1
- point RI117_W needs to be moved to the new location of the two routes diverging and renamed RI5/117
- point US1Bus/117 needs to be renamed RI117_E and relocated (slightly)
- point US1Bus/113 needs to be renamed RI113
- this may have been brought up previously but US 1 now runs concurrent with I-95 between exits 27 and 29, at least as signed. AFAIK RIDOT never obtained AASHTO's permission to make this change, or the more recent one in Apponaug.

US1BusWar
- needs to be deleted outright as it is no longer signed at all (drove the entire length of it and nothing)

RI5
- point US1 needs to be renamed US1/117 and moved up to the new location of the junction

RI113
- point US1Bus_S needs to be renamed PostRd (or removed, if not in use)

RI114
- point US1_S needs to be renamed HighSt (since US1 has been relocated onto I-95 out of downtown Pawtucket)

RI117
- point US1_S needs to be renamed US1/5 and moved up to the new location of the junction
- point US1_N needs to be relocated (slightly)

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Re: Various changes needed in RI
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2017, 12:53:58 am »
US1
- point RI117_W needs to be moved to the new location of the two routes diverging and renamed RI5/117
- point US1Bus/117 needs to be renamed RI117_E and relocated (slightly)
Judging by what's in the HB, it looks like...
* The old route was a split alignment, couplet, whatchawannacallit, with northbound using Post Rd and southbound using (what is now?) Veterans Memorial Dr and Greenwich Ave.
* The new route is just Veterans Memorial Dr and Greenwich Ave, and that's it.
* Correct?

- this may have been brought up previously but US 1 now runs concurrent with I-95 between exits 27 and 29, at least as signed.
Dear God, you mean, it now does something... sensible?
Do RI15 and RI114 both still use their existing, infamously complex routings?

AFAIK RIDOT never obtained AASHTO's permission to make this change, or the more recent one in Apponaug.
I keep pretty close tabs on AASHTO approvals, and have not noticed these either.

US1BusWar
- needs to be deleted outright as it is no longer signed at all (drove the entire length of it and nothing)
Can you confirm that this is gone too?
With the new construction in the area, is there any remaining BY-PASS {1} signage?

RI5
- point US1 needs to be renamed US1/117 and moved up to the new location of the junction
The southern terminus is at the roundabout, correct?

RI114
- point US1_S needs to be renamed HighSt (since US1 has been relocated onto I-95 out of downtown Pawtucket)
Ugh. The mixed-up mile...
I'fd be inclined to use EastAve as the label, as no part of RI114 is routed there.

RI117
- point US1_S needs to be renamed US1/5 and moved up to the new location of the junction
- point US1_N needs to be relocated (slightly)
So, from the RI115 point (which could also be relocated slightly), RI117 follows Veterans Memorial to US1_N. Then from there, it turns south on Post Rd to the teardrop-shaped junction, and heads east on West Shore Rd. Right? If so, I think another point at the teardrop would be worthwhile.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2017, 01:20:49 am by yakra »

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Re: Various changes needed in RI
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2017, 01:06:34 am »
list of edits:

yakra.list: mixed-up mile, Pawtucket
usausb.csv: delete US1BusWar
usausb_con.csv: delete US1BusWar
updates.csv


US1:
RI117_W +-> CenRd
RI5/117 added at (41.700638, -71.460217)
US1Bus/117 needs to be renamed RI117_E and relocated (slightly)
US1Bus/113 +-> RI113

RI114_N in use: deleted; AltLabel added to I-95(27)
I-95(28) added
RI15/114 in use: deleted.
Edit yakra.list

US1BusWar: delete file
RI5: US1 relocated to roundabout (existing label retained; it's still valid)
RI15: US1/114 +-> RI114_S
RI113: US1Bus_S needs to be renamed PostRd

RI114:
US1/15 +-> RI15_E
US1_S +-> EastAve


RI115: RI117 repositioned

RI117:
RI115 repositioned
US1_S in use; both directions; deleted
US1/5 added
US1_N needs to be relocated (slightly)
PostRd added at (41.699717, -71.453528)
« Last Edit: March 21, 2017, 02:46:43 am by yakra »

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Re: Various changes needed in RI
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2017, 09:03:07 pm »
* The old route was a split alignment, couplet, whatchawannacallit, with northbound using Post Rd and southbound using (what is now?) Veterans Memorial Dr and Greenwich Ave.
* The new route is just Veterans Memorial Dr and Greenwich Ave, and that's it.
* Correct?

Yes, correct.

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Do RI15 and RI114 both still use their existing, infamously complex routings?

I saw no evidence to the contrary. However, signage in Pawtucket is... well, spotty. Had to check the map to follow RI15, three of its turns eastbound are completely unsigned. But that's aggravatingly typical for Rhode Island.

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Can you confirm that this is gone too?
With the new construction in the area, is there any remaining BY-PASS {1} signage?

Can't confirm if that particular shield has been removed since I did not approach from that direction. What I can confirm is that:
- there are no reassurance markers for business US1 on the route itself, however this random "north US1" (regular 1 mind you, not business) shield is still there: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7086125,-71.4508808,3a,15y,64.68h,86.42t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sVK3UY0JVn-f-_N8gwIoqoQ!2e0!5s20110901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
- there are no signs at the intersection of Post Rd and Main Ave indicating that any route turns there.
- there is no signage for Business US1 at the south end of Post Rd. There is new green signage which simply says "Post Rd" with no shield. One example has even already been caught by the street view van: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7009896,-71.4540277,3a,15y,343.26h,86.12t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smmuptNgBdR3Ts1UAbwbz5A!2e0!5s20161001T000000!7i13312!8i6656
- I did not see any signs for Bypass US 1. Only for plain old US1.

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RI5
The southern terminus is at the roundabout, correct?

Yes.

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So, from the RI115 point (which could also be relocated slightly), RI117 follows Veterans Memorial to US1_N. Then from there, it turns south on Post Rd to the teardrop-shaped junction, and heads east on West Shore Rd. Right?

Yes.

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Re: Various changes needed in RI
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2017, 01:49:23 pm »
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Do RI15 and RI114 both still use their existing, infamously complex routings?
I saw no evidence to the contrary. However, signage in Pawtucket is... well, spotty. Had to check the map to follow RI15, three of its turns eastbound are completely unsigned. But that's aggravatingly typical for Rhode Island.
I downloaded some new (2016) shapefiles, but they're not new enough to show the relocation of US1. I'm going to assume RI15 & RI114 follow their same old routings.

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Can you confirm that this is gone too?
Can't confirm if that particular shield has been removed since I did not approach from that direction. What I can confirm is that:
I'll ask Zack Lewis about it, and see if he knows anything.

- there are no reassurance markers for business US1 on the route itself, however this random "north US1" (regular 1 mind you, not business) shield is still there: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7086125,-71.4508808,3a,15y,64.68h,86.42t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sVK3UY0JVn-f-_N8gwIoqoQ!2e0!5s20110901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Hm. Now that's interesting. Look at historic Street View, and you'll see that this sign was important enough to be replaced between April 2011 and May 2012.
The shapefiles list its ROADTYPE as STATE, not US. But that doesn't necessarily mean very much; The old route northbound US1 was required to take is listed as STATE as well.

- there is no signage for Business US1 at the south end of Post Rd. There is new green signage which simply says "Post Rd" with no shield. One example has even already been caught by the street view van: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7009896,-71.4540277,3a,15y,343.26h,86.12t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smmuptNgBdR3Ts1UAbwbz5A!2e0!5s20161001T000000!7i13312!8i6656
- I did not see any signs for Bypass US 1. Only for plain old US1.
The only BY-PASS {1} sign I'm aware of was here. With the reconstruction and new signage in the area it's almost certainly gone.

Ugh, why can't stuff be straIghtforward? I'm leaning toward calling US1BusWar gone, but not enough to take action yet. It's not 100% definitive IMO...