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Title: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 24, 2017, 01:45:49 am
https://planetprinceton.com/2017/12/21/i-95-in-mercer-county-to-be-renamed-i-295-in-early-2018-several-exit-numbers-to-change/

Should start in early '18.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: yakra on December 24, 2017, 02:45:16 am
January - August 2018:
The gap in I-95 in New Jersey will finally be closed, making I-95 continuous from Florida to Maine, when the necessary movements open on the I-95 / PA Turnpike Extension (I-276) interchange in Bristol Twp, Pennsylvania.
PA I-95 will be relocated onto the PA Turnpike Extension, meeting up with existing NJ I-95 at the state line.
Existing PA I-95 north of there will be redesignated as I-295, and exits will be renumbered.
NJ I-95Tre will be redesignated as an extension of NJ I-295, and exits will be renumbered.

Links:
http://news.transportation.org/Pages/StateDotNewsDetail.aspx?MessageId=55519
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/I95-295/
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/I95-295/pdf/ProjectDescriptionSheet.pdf
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/roads/I95-295/ppt/I95I295Redesignation.pptx

Sign replacement work will take place in three phases:

Phase 1: January – March 2018
Replacing signs in New Jersey starting at existing I-95 interchange 8/Princeton Pike and moving west toward the Delaware River

Phase 2: March - April 2018
Replacing signs on both sides of the Delaware River within the Scudders Fall Bridge project limits (existing
I-95 Exit 1 in New Jersey and Exits 51 and 49 in Pennsylvania).

Phase 3: April – August 2018
Replacing signs at the remaining interchanges through the new interchange in Bristol, PA.

What makes sense to me as a way to approach this is, rather than go thru multiple passes involving extending one highway and truncating another, make one big pull request for each state when its respective time comes: NJ once all NJ signage has changed early in phase 2; PA once all PA signage has changed at the end of phase 3.

PA changes:
I-95: relocate
I-295: new route
I-276: truncate, I presume.

Anyone who's traveled any segment of I-95 north of Exit 40 (and/or possibly I-276 east of 352) will need to update their .list files.

Label changes for existing routes:
US1: I-95 -> I-295
US13: I-276 -> I=95
US1BusPen: I-95 -> I-295
PA332: I-95 -> I-295
PA413: I-95(40) -> I-95; I-95(44) -> I-295

NJ changes:
I-295: extend north along existing I-95Tre
I-95Tre: delete, because it's redesignated as I-295. More on the nuts & bolts of this change below...

Label changes for existing routes:
I-195: I-295 +-> 1A; 1 -> 1C
US1: I-95/295 -> I-295
US206: I-95_M -> I-295
NJ29: I-95 -> I-295
NJ31: I-95 -> I-295
NJ175: I-95 -> I-295

AltRouteNames:
Normally, when one route gets redesignated as an extension of another, the old route's .list name gets added as an AltRouteName for the route that subsumes it. Disruption to people's list files is kept to a minimum; life goes on.
For example, NJ I-295Tre was first known as NJ I-95_M (which I believe comes from an NJDOT internal designation), back before the "3-letter city abbreviation" standard was thought up.

The situation is a little more complex than usual here...

Normally, when a route's point labels change (such as a sequential-to-milepost exit renumbering), old labels that are in use in .list files are kept as hidden alternate labels, to avoid breaking .list files. Sometimes, a label will be needed elsewhere in the file, and cannot be kept as a hidden alternate. For example, in the recent conversion of RI I-295 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/1764), "6" and "7" were needed for new mileage-based exits. Anyone who had RI I-295 6 7 in their .list file prior to the renumbering originally had their travels mapped from the US6 freeway to US44. Now, RI I-295 6 7 maps travels from RI14 to Scituate Ave, and these users will need to edit their .list files. This happens sometimes.

Put these two facets together, and we get some of the same wacky hijinks -- a few of I-95Tre's point labels already exist near the south end of existing I-295:
7, 4, 1, and finally 0, a hidden AltLabel for PA/NJ on I-95Tre & for DE/NJ on I295.

Right now, 7 .list files (https://github.com/TravelMapping/UserData/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22nj+I-95_M%22&type=) contain a line for NJ I-95_M.
None of these lines use any of the four labels above. I-95_M can safely be included as an AltRouteName for I-295, and these people's lists will still work.

59 .list files (https://github.com/TravelMapping/UserData/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22nj+I-95Tre%22&type=) contain a line for NJ I-95Tre.
• If I don't include I-95Tre as an AltRouteName for I-295, all 59 of these users will need to edits their .lists to include these segments on the newly-extended I-295. Their travels on the "old" I-295 will be shown correctly.
• If I do include I-95Tre as an AltRouteName for I-295, 48 .lists don't contain any of the four labels above; their travels will be shown correctly.
Of the remaining 11 .lists:
• 4 have clinched existing I-295, and their travels on this "classic" portion will be shown correctly. baugh17 will have the former I-95Tre bit improperly marked as clinched; the other three (sercamaro, dnthrox, neilbert) will have it improperly blank.
• 3 will have all of I-295, both the classic and former I-95Tre bits, improperly marked as clinched: JamesMD, thing342, mikeandkristie
• 3 will have most of classic I-295 (north of either exit 1 or 7) improperly marked, and former I-95Tre bits, improperly marked as clinched: roukan, jackgaynor, mojavenc
osu_lsu will have all of classic I-295 north of Exit 7 improperly marked, and all of the former I-95Tre improperly blank.

I have the option of making...
• 59 users update their .lists due to missing/incomplete info (a greater number of users dealing with a lesser evil), or
• 3  users update their .lists due to missing/incomplete info & 8 users update their lists due to bad/mangled info (a lesser number of users dealing with a greater evil). These 11 .lists have all been updated since August 7th.

I prefer the latter option. That, and having both AltRouteNames just seems, procedurally, like The Right Way Of Doing Things. Leaving that little bit of archaeological evidence in usai.csv that "part of this route used to be known as that route."
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: mvak36 on January 03, 2018, 04:16:19 pm
I'm sure you probably already have the info that you need, but here is the link to the AASHTO approval from 2015

http://sp.route.transportation.org/Documents/05%2014%202015%20Cheyenne,%20WY%20Report/FHWA%20to%20AASHTO%20I-95.Designation.pdf
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 22, 2018, 11:11:27 pm
Looks like the NJ changes can be done now.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11707.msg2296961#msg2296961
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: yakra on January 23, 2018, 02:07:49 am
Quote
A couple of route marker assemblies on U.S. 1 ... have also been changed over, ... but they have since been covered.
Looks like we're not quite ready yet.

Before making the NJ changes, I'm waiting till all NJ signage is changed over, which TMK will be early Phase 2, March - April 2018. I posted a reply asking, "How's signage looking within the Scudder Falls Bridge project limits, existing I-95 Exit 1 in New Jersey?"
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: yakra on April 09, 2018, 07:22:43 pm
A photo was posted to AARoads showing the new exit number on the former I-95 (Trenton) Exit 1.
Working on an update for the New Jersey side.

999 will not be retained as an AltLabel for exit 67.
999 is only in use in neilbert.list, as part of the line NJ I-95Tre 0 999.
0 cannot be retained as an AltLabel on the former I-95Tre segment, as it's needed at I-295's existing southern terminus, DE/NJ.
Thus the NJ I-95Tre 0 999 .list line would map to NJ I-295 DE/NJ 67, the same as what's already in neilbert.list (NJ I-295 0 67).
We get rid of a superfluous AltLabel, and neilbert.log reports an error, indicating neilbert needs to update the I-95Tre .list line. Boom!
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Jim on April 09, 2018, 09:48:03 pm
User neilbert has done the last two updates through GitHub, so I expect we could edit the file with an @ mention in the commit and he/she would be aware that the change was made.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: yakra on April 09, 2018, 10:49:51 pm
I wouldn't want to edit someone else's file without permission.
I'll just ping those affected (who are on GitHub) via the pull request comment.

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/1949

Not included: the new Exit 1 on I-195. Waiting for confirmation that it's signed in the field.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: mikeandkristie on April 23, 2018, 01:25:48 pm
I had seen the warning about the I-95 Trenton change in our log file and found this explaining what was going on.  I went in and updated our file to reflect the new layout of I-295 and I-95.

- 3 will have all of I-295, both the classic and former I-95Tre bits, improperly marked as clinched: JamesMD, thing342, mikeandkristie

Mike
Title: PA: I-95 to I-295 conversion
Post by: Jim on August 14, 2018, 03:03:18 pm
I just took former I-95/new I-295 through Pennsylvania.  I can confirm that it's now well-signed as I-295, exits and mile markers renumbered, and the only pieces of evidence of I-95 north of the PATpke are the "old exit" tabs" and a couple billboards directing to the web site about the renumbering and new interchange.  There's also a somewhat misleading but sadly common sign at the changeover point "End I-295, Begin I-95" though I suppose it's accurate at least until I-95 is connected back up in a bit.

Just posting this for informational purposes.  It's fine with me if we want to wait to make this change until the new interchange opens and we have a single I-95.
Title: Re: PA: I-95 to I-295 conversion
Post by: osu-lsu on August 14, 2018, 04:02:04 pm
Don't go ruining the fun for all of us that are attending the "golden spike" meet for I-95/276 next month.  :P ;D
For the uninitiated...
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/i-95pa-turnpike-golden-spike-meet-september-2018-tickets-48967320574 (https://www.eventbrite.com/e/i-95pa-turnpike-golden-spike-meet-september-2018-tickets-48967320574)
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: yakra on August 14, 2018, 06:24:40 pm
Topics merged.
Title: Re: PA: I-95 to I-295 conversion
Post by: mikeandkristie on August 14, 2018, 06:42:30 pm
Don't go ruining the fun for all of us that are attending the "golden spike" meet for I-95/276 next month.  :P ;D
For the uninitiated...
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/i-95pa-turnpike-golden-spike-meet-september-2018-tickets-48967320574 (https://www.eventbrite.com/e/i-95pa-turnpike-golden-spike-meet-september-2018-tickets-48967320574)
September 13th?  Well shoot!  I was hoping it would be done in time for us when we are up that way over Labor Day.   :(
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Markkos1992 on August 26, 2018, 12:58:48 pm
I am noting this on my list for the day it officially opens.
Title: Re: PA: I-95 to I-295 conversion
Post by: dave1693 on August 26, 2018, 02:30:23 pm
Don't go ruining the fun for all of us that are attending the "golden spike" meet for I-95/276 next month.  :P ;D
For the uninitiated...
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/i-95pa-turnpike-golden-spike-meet-september-2018-tickets-48967320574 (https://www.eventbrite.com/e/i-95pa-turnpike-golden-spike-meet-september-2018-tickets-48967320574)
Sept 13th? Arrrrghh! Family things mean I have to be in Virginia that day.
Title: Re: PA: I-95 to I-295 conversion
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 27, 2018, 03:15:27 am
Don't go ruining the fun for all of us that are attending the "golden spike" meet for I-95/276 next month.  :P ;D
For the uninitiated...
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/i-95pa-turnpike-golden-spike-meet-september-2018-tickets-48967320574 (https://www.eventbrite.com/e/i-95pa-turnpike-golden-spike-meet-september-2018-tickets-48967320574)
Sept 13th? Arrrrghh! Family things mean I have to be in Virginia that day.

Say you're sick. :P
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Markkos1992 on August 28, 2018, 09:52:26 pm
Just saw this on AARoads:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11707.msg2352462#msg2352462

A quick update (no photos yet):

The I-95/PA 413 interchange is now Exit 39 from I-95 northbound (was Exit 40).  Along what is now I-295 westbound, the exit number still says 40, but there are other overhead signs that are covered that look like they refer to the same exit.  I wonder if they will carry the I-95 exit (39) or be I-295 Exit 1, since the proposed ramp exits prior to the I-95 merge.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: oscar on September 13, 2018, 09:43:24 pm
Just saw this on AARoads:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11707.msg2352462#msg2352462

A quick update (no photos yet):

The I-95/PA 413 interchange is now Exit 39 from I-95 northbound (was Exit 40).  Along what is now I-295 westbound, the exit number still says 40, but there are other overhead signs that are covered that look like they refer to the same exit.  I wonder if they will carry the I-95 exit (39) or be I-295 Exit 1, since the proposed ramp exits prior to the I-95 merge.

That interchange is now also I-95 exit 39 SB. I took a photo (still in my camera, but other people's photos from the Golden Spike meet might go on aaroads sooner than mine).

There is an exit 1 at the south end of I-295, marked as "To PA 413". But that is for a ramp for traffic from I-295 to PA 413, to get around the SB I-95 flyover, so it need not fight through SB I-95 traffic to get to I-95 exit 39. I don't recall seeing a corresponding bypass ramp for NB I-95 traffic, possibly because the first I-295 exit is nowhere near as close to the PA Turnpike as the exit for PA 413. HB doesn't have an exit 1 (or otherwise numbered) in the existing I-95 file north of the PA Turnpike, that will become the PA I-295 file. I think we should not add one.

A project official explained that the PA 413 interchange was renumbered because the 40 number is needed for the I-95/I-276/I-295 interchange, in which 276 will be treated as a left exit from SB I-95. I don't recall seeing signage at that new interchange for 276's exit number. I went back there this morning, I saw two covered-up signs confirming that 276 will be a left exit, but no clue what the number will be. EDIT: I didn't re-travel I-95 north of PA 413, to recheck the signage between there and the PA Turnpike. I don't know for sure that I-295 will be treated as a left exit from NB I-95, or that it will be numbered as exit 40 too, though that would be my guess as well.

The new exit number on the part of I-276 being transferred to I-95 was mentioned, and I think it was 358 -> 42. That exit number change will cause less heartburn than the 39/40 changes, since 40 is a point in use on I-95 and is being moved.

BTW, the meet included escorted drives on the new SB and NB flyovers connecting I-95 with the to-be-former I-276 segment (basically complete, just some finishing work needed before opening). So maybe I can count that as clinched-in-advance, without going back there for the official opening to maintain my I-95 clinch.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: osu-lsu on September 14, 2018, 09:33:34 am

BTW, the meet included escorted drives on the still unfinished new SB and NB flyovers connecting I-95 with the to-be-former I-276 segment. So maybe I can count that as clinched-in-advance, without going back there for the official opening to maintain my I-95 clinch.

To each their own, but I'm counting our drive/walk through with that interchange as a "clinch."
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: vdeane on September 15, 2018, 04:32:22 pm
That interchange is now also I-95 exit 39 SB. I took a photo (still in my camera, but other people's photos from the Golden Spike meet might go on aaroads sooner than mine).

There is an exit 1 at the south end of I-295, marked as "To PA 413". But that is for a ramp for traffic from I-295 to get around the SB I-95 flyover, so it need not fight through SB I-95 traffic to get to I-95 exit 39. I don't recall seeing a corresponding bypass ramp for NB I-95 traffic, possibly because the first I-295 exit is nowhere near as close to the PA Turnpike as the exit for PA 413. HB doesn't have an exit 1 (or otherwise numbered) in the existing I-95 file north of the PA Turnpike, that will become the PA I-295 file. I think we should not add one.

A project official explained that the PA 413 interchange was renumbered because the 40 number is needed for the I-95/I-276/I-295 interchange, in which 276 will be treated as a left exit from SB I-95. I don't recall seeing signage at that new interchange for 276's exit number. I went back there this morning, I saw two covered-up signs confirming that 276 will be a left exit, but no clue what the number will be.

The new exit number on the part of I-276 being transferred to I-95 was mentioned, and I think it was 358 -> 42. That exit number change will cause less heartburn than the 39/40 changes, since 40 is a point in use on I-95 and is being moved.

BTW, the meet included escorted drives on the new SB and NB flyovers connecting I-95 with the to-be-former I-276 segment (basically complete, just some finishing work needed before opening). So maybe I can count that as clinched-in-advance, without going back there for the official opening to maintain my I-95 clinch.
Did anyone ask what the likelihood of the rest of the interchange being built was?  I've been curious how it will be marked here; whether to have the point where existing I-95 and I-276 cross, or whether separate points will be used at each diverge from I-95 a la exit 75 of I-66.  At least right now, it seems that it will function as two interchanges, one with I-295 and one with I-276, especially with the long length of the ramps.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Markkos1992 on September 15, 2018, 04:58:28 pm
Thinking of this offhand, I am planning to put the point where existing I-95 and I-276 cross as the center of the interchange.  That way the west/north end of I-295, the east end of I-276, and the I-95 transition are at the same point, which is how it would definitely be done had the whole interchange been built now.   

The situation you refer to with I-66 has ramps to/from VA 110 and US 50, which do not interchange with each other in any form from what I see.  To me, I-95/I-295/I-276 is an interchange with two roadways while the I-66/VA 110/US 50 interchange area has three.

EDIT:  Actually make that four, as I-66 and US 50 have ramps to/from the GW Pkwy as well.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: oscar on September 15, 2018, 09:05:10 pm
I think Mark's plan for a single point at the I-95/I-295/I-276 junction is the way to go, even though the SB End I-295 sign is south of the PA Turnpike at the point where the flyover ramps tie into the existing roadway.

As for completing the missing movements at that interchange, my impression from the meeting with project managers was that falls into the category of "if and when PennDOT wins a really, really big lottery prize". As is common for such projects, compromises were made to fit the project scope into available funding. Construction is continuing on some improvements that are part of the overall project (such as on two I-276 interchanges, one of which will become an I-95 interchange), but they don't include missing movements ramps.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: yakra on September 20, 2018, 12:39:41 pm
https://kywnewsradio.radio.com/articles/news/pa-turnpike-commission-reaches-milestone-new-i-95-interchange
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Markkos1992 on September 20, 2018, 05:40:21 pm
FYI, my tentative plan is to have this done by Monday.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: yakra on September 21, 2018, 12:05:15 am
If I'd been on the ball about making plans & asking for time off work & things, I may have gone to the Golden Spike Roadmeet.
Of course, I'll have it all pre-clinched, but I can't help but feel like I'm cheating just a tiny bit...
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Markkos1992 on September 21, 2018, 04:56:22 am
I'm planning to do drive this tomorrow along with other roads around Philly (US 1, US 13, PA 291).  I remember getting my parents lost around Trenton once due to the I-95 gap on the way to New York once.  It will be nice to move on from that memory.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Jim on September 22, 2018, 08:47:50 am
Preemptively updating my list..

Guessing I-95/276 and PA/NJ labels for the endpoints of the new PA I-295.

Will the PA Turnpike segment that's now I-95 also remain I-276, or has that designation now been truncated to the new interchange?
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: oscar on September 22, 2018, 09:58:13 am
Preemptively updating my list..

Guessing I-95/276 and PA/NJ labels for the endpoints of the new PA I-295.

Will the PA Turnpike segment that's now I-95 also remain I-276, or has that designation now been truncated to the new interchange?

Since there are no ramps to directly travel between I-276 and I-295, something like I-95 (or I-95(40) or 40(95), using the relocated exit 40 number) would seem to be better as the south/west endpoint of PA I-295, and of the new east endpoint of I-276.

AIUI, I-276 was to be truncated to the new interchange. Photos posted on the aaroads forum indicate I-276 signage has been removed east of the new interchange, though more user reports may come in later today.

I'll wait a day or two to update my own list file, reflecting my pre-opening travels last week (courtesy of PennDOT) on both of the new I-95/PA Turnpike connector ramps. 
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Markkos1992 on September 23, 2018, 01:13:33 pm
I will be truncating I-276 to the I-95 interchange.   

Jim, your predicted points should be correct.  I am about to start on this shortly.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Jim on September 23, 2018, 01:22:53 pm
Also don't forget that the two mainline I-95 entries in usai_con.csv will be combined into one big entry (finally).
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Markkos1992 on September 23, 2018, 05:28:18 pm
The issue I am having right now is that the "40" label that needs to be moved for the new interchange is in use. 

The "40" label is currently in-use by the following list files:  golubcar (added his after the Golden Spike list so he is good) and crosboro7 (should be contacted to note that his list file will technically be off, it should not actually be broken).  The "40" label will be replaced by "39" as a result of the renumbering of the PA 413 interchange.

I hyperlinked the link to all the new exit numbers for reference purposes. (http://i95link.com/exit-numbers/)


Other current revisions to I-95 in PA:

Changed 21 to 22A.  I could not tell if the label was for the ramps to/from the connector to I-676 or the on-ramp SB from Front St, but in the grand scheme of things seem to be more related to Exit 22 than a non-existent Exit 21.

Changed 36 to 37.  The exit for PA 132 is actually Exit 37. (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0806144,-74.9386519,3a,75y,38.67h,87.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stJ76X2WFSac36auf0DayMQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

EDIT:  This should definitely be in the site update for tomorrow night.  -Mark
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: yakra on September 23, 2018, 10:53:59 pm
Re exit 40, this looks like one of those cases where list files will just be unavoidably broken by a major reroute.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Markkos1992 on September 23, 2018, 11:01:07 pm
Re exit 40, this looks like one of those cases where list files will just be unavoidably broken by a major reroute.

Well I am not seeing myself actually breaking list files as much as them being incorrect. (having 40 now on I-95 instead of 39 would gain a little distance incorrectly)

Some list files in this case may have the line "PA I-95 DE/PA PA/NJ" without having actually traveled the former I-276.  That is one of my biggest concerns here.

I did use alternate labels past the truncation point for I-276 and for I-95 at Exit 40 for its old routing. 
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Jim on September 23, 2018, 11:07:38 pm
Generally we do what we can to avoid breaking things, but sometimes they just need to break and that's what the updates entries are for.  I think we've gone above and beyond in those special cases where we have contacted people directly by email or GitHub.  Also, TM users are probably pretty likely to be aware of this change and would notice if they need to fix things.  Am I correct that everyone who traveled I-95 north of the new interchange will need a new PA I-295 entry anyway, since we can't use an alt name here like we do in many cases when a route's number changes?
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: dave1693 on September 23, 2018, 11:26:37 pm
Am I correct that everyone who traveled I-95 north of the new interchange will need a new PA I-295 entry anyway, since we can't use an alt name here like we do in many cases when a route's number changes?

As one of the folks who had previously clinched both I-276 and I-95 in PA, I've been assuming all along that I'd need a new entry for I-295. (And that the HB will show me as having clinched I-95 even though I haven't traveled the new connector ramps yet.)
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: SSOWorld on September 24, 2018, 07:38:07 pm
Re exit 40, this looks like one of those cases where list files will just be unavoidably broken by a major reroute.

Well I am not seeing myself actually breaking list files as much as them being incorrect. (having 40 now on I-95 instead of 39 would gain a little distance incorrectly)

Some list files in this case may have the line "PA I-95 DE/PA PA/NJ" without having actually traveled the former I-276.  That is one of my biggest concerns here.

I did use alternate labels past the truncation point for I-276 and for I-95 at Exit 40 for its old routing.
When these things happen, the risks are high, but we can't avoid it.  Go with it, the list files can be fixed.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Markkos1992 on September 24, 2018, 08:51:10 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2250

Marking as solved unless yakra or myself missed something.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Jim on September 24, 2018, 09:35:17 pm
On site!
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: oscar on September 24, 2018, 09:47:03 pm
My new entry PA I-295 I-95/276 PA/NJ isn't generating an error in my log, but also isn't showing the new route as clinched by me in the HB.

Maybe this problem will go away on its own, overnight?
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Jim on September 24, 2018, 09:57:51 pm
My new entry PA I-295 I-95/276 PA/NJ isn't generating an error in my log, but also isn't showing the new route as clinched by me in the HB.

Maybe this problem will go away on its own, overnight?

The update you submitted to your list came in just after the site update started.  I let the update run to completion, but I'll launch another now as you're not the only update.

So my run as the sole traveler on PA I-295 will last all of about an hour.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Markkos1992 on September 24, 2018, 10:02:58 pm
My new entry PA I-295 I-95/276 PA/NJ isn't generating an error in my log, but also isn't showing the new route as clinched by me in the HB.

Maybe this problem will go away on its own, overnight?


The update you submitted to your list came in just after the site update started.  I let the update run to completion, but I'll launch another now as you're not the only update.

So my run as the sole traveler on PA I-295 will last all of about an hour.

Yeah I had hoped that I would have more time for my update.  Oh well.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: oscar on September 24, 2018, 10:32:33 pm
My issue, at least, was solved by the second update.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Jim on September 25, 2018, 07:25:00 am
And now I-295 PA has three travelers.  I expect we'll see that number climb quickly.  I didn't check how many people had those segments marked as part of I-95, but I'm sure it's a lot.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Jim on September 25, 2018, 10:28:36 pm
One day later, it's up to 10.  Lots of list files updated today, about 3x the typical.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Markkos1992 on December 01, 2018, 09:02:43 pm
Unmarked as solved, and moved back into highway thread due to alternate label issue.

See conversation beginning here:  http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=2758.msg12275#msg12275

Pull Request in Repository: https://github.com/Markkos1992/HighwayData/pull/112
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: yakra on December 01, 2018, 11:54:34 pm
Looking at a few of these .list files, I'm in favor of removing these AltLabels.
Title: Re: NJ/PA: I-95, I-295, & I-195 exit number and route renumbering
Post by: Markkos1992 on December 02, 2018, 08:12:53 am
I-95 Removing of Alternate Labels: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2403

Users affected by removing of alternate labels:
46-sneezy, jpinyan, epzik8, moshitea, verumsolum, inagaddadavida, codyg1985, okroads, ntallyn
48-rlee
51-jpinyan, bhemphill
999-dnthrox, neilbert, aaroads

All of the users referenced above will have an error in their respective logs for "PA I-95" that will need to be corrected.

I'd also like to note that anyone else that has "PA I-95 DE/PA(or another entry) PA/NJ" that has not corrected their respective list files previously should verify their travels on I-95, I-295, and I-276 in PA to make sure that they are mapped correctly.

Topic remarked as solved.  Please let me know if the update entry should be edited.