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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #45 on: February 28, 2017, 10:52:00 am »
This review will only really deal with the routes as they are, and using Mapnik. If OSM's road names are wrong, or the roadways off, then I won't be addressing those issues. If there's incorrect routings on TM that match OSM then I won't spot them. I might find something in GMSV (such as TN7 Truck)

TN1 (Memphis): point required (grade-separated junction) at North Watkins Street. You probably want at least another point - I'd suggest McLean Blvd
TN1 (Sparta): good
TN2: good
TN3: point required (intersecting route) for I-40 exit 1A. CheAve -> 2ndSt_N ? point for Jefferson Avenue?
TN5: TN21 -> TN21_E
TN7 (Columbia): Those odd junctions probably ought to have point on the link road, rather than the overbridge. Point at North James Campbell Blvd?
TN7 (Ardmore): The state line is signed as being the railroad. At the AL53 junction TN7 is signed straight on along Main Street, but other than the TN7 Truck Route sign (see below), there's nothing else beyond referring to TN7. I'd leave things as-is.
TN7 Trunk (Ardmore): New Route - While looking to see whether AL53 was genuinely at the border, I found a sign for a truck route of TN7 - it goes Ardmore Ridge Road, Austin Whitt Road and Austin Street.
TN8 (McMinnville): could have side roads rather than hidden points, but you've discussed that.
TN8 (Chattanooga): good

TN10: could have side roads rather than hidden points, but you've discussed that.
TN11: good
TN12: TN49 points - make reference to TN249 as well?
TN13: good
TN14: add points for GSJs with Old Austin Peay Highway (x2) and Scott Street. Add points added to TN3. Think about adding more points to route along Jackson Avenue.
TN15: good
TN16: good
TN17: points at Central Avenue and Holtzclaw Avenue (link to nearby freeway exits), ditto on US41 and US76. point at either Bailey Ave or McCallie Ave for route towards US11/64
TN18: good
TN19: good
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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2017, 02:02:15 pm »
Could it be possible to add waypoints on TN236 for Pembroke Rd (as an extension of KY115) and Barkers Mill Rd (as an extension of KY1881)? These satisfy personal requests for me, but there are probably many more situations where waypoints could be added to access the plethora of Kentucky routes just to the north.

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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2017, 12:33:41 pm »
Thanks for the feedback so far.

TN 52:  US31E => US31E/231 (the existing label really confused me, since I was looking for the 231 junction)

Also, point request for the western junction of Celina Rd. between TN151 and OldGamRd (my actual return to TN 52 was on Nimm Rd., after a county-snagging foray on TN 151 -- but Celina Rd., just to the north, is a more reasonable point for other users).

TN 148:  WestBrowRd and EastBrowRd => WBrowRd and EBrowRd? (Not BrowRd_W and BrowRd_E, since they look like two separate Brow Roads that don't connect).

Also. point request for Lula Lake Rd., between GA/TN and WestBrowRd. Lula Lake is how I made the jump between TN 148 and GA 157 (which has its own LulaLakeRd points). But I could get by with WestBrowRd.
TN52 adjustments made and submitted.

TN148: LulaLakeRd added. Since West Brow and East Brow are features of Lookout Mountain, I looked at the "West" and "East" in this case as more integral to the road names, rather than just directional prefixes. But maybe I'm thinking too much here.

TN3: CheAve -> 2ndSt_N ?
TN7 (Columbia): Those odd junctions probably ought to have point on the link road, rather than the overbridge. Point at North James Campbell Blvd?
TN12: TN49 points - make reference to TN249 as well?
TN14: add points for GSJs with Old Austin Peay Highway (x2) and Scott Street. Add points added to TN3. Think about adding more points to route along Jackson Avenue.

TN3: There's no simple way to handle this (can't call it CheAve_W since it doesn't extend west of one of the N/S pair; 2ndSt_N doesn't apply to traffic on 3rd St) but since the only users likely to need this point would have come to it via 2nd Ave N, I went ahead and changed it to 2ndAve_N.
TN7Col: I'm leaving them alone since doing what you suggested would leave gaps between routes at their intersections. To me the odd junctions seem to be extended 2-way ramps, and gaps look like NMP errors on the maps.
TN12: I made the change for consistency, but TN249 isn't referenced on signs at the intersections per GMSV.
TN14: waypoints for McLeanBlvd and GSJs added, including another one for Raleigh Millington Rd.

All other suggested adjustments made and submitted.

Could it be possible to add waypoints on TN236 for Pembroke Rd (as an extension of KY115) and Barkers Mill Rd (as an extension of KY1881)? These satisfy personal requests for me, but there are probably many more situations where waypoints could be added to access the plethora of Kentucky routes just to the north.

Done. I checked other roads near the Kentucky border and found similar situations for KY52, KY78, and KY259, so additional waypoints have been added to those as well. I didn't see any other obvious needs, along the borders with Kentucky or any other state, but if you find more please let me know.
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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2017, 07:22:11 am »
TN20: good
TN21: good
TN22: good
TN22A: good
TN22Bus (Huntingdon): good
TN25: good
TN27: good
TN29: good
TN30: good
TN31: good
TN32: good
TN33: good
TN34: good
TN35: US411/33 -> US411, but this is matter of taste, so this and similar in other routes can stay that way.
TN36: good
TN39: good
TN43: good
TN44: good
TN45: good
TN46 (Dickson): good
TN46 (Indian Mound): good
TN47: good
TN48: maybe a couple of shaping points can go to nearby roads
TN48Bus (Dickson): good
TN49: move nearby shaping points to Lakeland Drive (optional), Mobley Lane, Cedar Creek Road, Hayshed Road, Buck Branch Road, Danley Road, Fisher Road, Belt Road and Clay Gregory Road as they seem major/long enough, rather than little cul-de-sacs

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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2017, 07:44:35 am »
TN50 Columbia: fine
TN50 Winchester: point at Dry Creek Road west of Winchester (links to US64, bypassing the town)
TN51: fine
TN52: shaping point west of Celina replace with point for Moss Arcot Rd (important enough as point at other end); ChesRidRd -> CheRidRd
TN52Trk Celina: fine
TN53: fine
TN54: point at old US412?
TN55: fine
TN55Bus McMinnville: fine
TN56 McMinnville: fine
TN56 Sewanee: fine
TN57: fine
TN58 Kingston: fine
TN58 Chattanooga: 40thSt_E - is 38thSt a better point?;
TN59: fine
TN60: fine
TN61: shaping point at Oliver Springs to neaten layout with TN330
TN62: shaping point at Oliver Springs to neaten layout with TN330; more points at the east end for roads that lead to GSJs: potential at TexasAve, KeithAve, 21stSt, 17th St, the I-40 ramps
TN63: fine
TN64: fine
TN66 Rogersville: Bro -> Bdwy?
TN66 Morristown: fine
TN66 Sevierville: fine
TN67: fine
TN68: fine
TN68 Georgia: fine
TN69 Savannah: fine
TN69 Paris: fine
TN69A: fine

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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2017, 06:51:53 pm »
TN66 Rogersville: Bro -> Bdwy?
Is this a standard abbreviation? I'm reluctant to change it otherwise, and seem to remember "Bro" in use elsewhere (possibly another region).

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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2017, 09:05:52 pm »
TN66 Rogersville: Bro -> Bdwy?
Is this a standard abbreviation? I'm reluctant to change it otherwise, and seem to remember "Bro" in use elsewhere (possibly another region).

Other changes made & submitted.

If there's a standard, we don't apply it very consistently.  But "Bro" is clearly the most popular.

Currently, our highway data has the following points labeled "Bro":

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./BEL/beln0/bel.n048b.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.755284&lon=3.600007
./BEL/beln2/bel.n263.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.708811&lon=3.929656
./CA/usaib/ca.i008blelc.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.807672&lon=-116.922040
./CA/usaus/ca.us101.wpt:Bro +BroWay_SFr http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.795716&lon=-122.423417
./CO/usaco/co.co470.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.564257&lon=-104.987838
./DEU/deub/deu.b184.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.494343&lon=12.334213
./DEU/deub/deu.b460.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.666420&lon=8.812129
./ENG/gbna/eng.a0030.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.670867&lon=-4.241828
./ENG/gbna/eng.a0688.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.562010&lon=-1.879864
./IL/usail/il.il003.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.671472&lon=-90.171361
./IL/usail/il.il160.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.739524&lon=-89.671869
./IRL/irl.n083.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.434530&lon=-8.904204
./IRL/irln/irl.n014.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.870001&lon=-7.515378
./IRL/irln/irl.n017.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.434530&lon=-8.904204
./ME/usame/me.me009.wpt:Bro +Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.630383&lon=-70.311446
./ME/usasf/me.mtapprd.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.625557&lon=-70.324913
./ME/usasf/me.scacon.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.628003&lon=-70.318127
./ME/usaus/me.us001.wpt:Bro +Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.630174&lon=-70.292158
./MN/usamn/mn.mn061.wpt:Bro +Brdwy http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.751155&lon=-90.333152
./MO/usamo/mo.mo763.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.951366&lon=-92.321892
./MT/usamt/mt.mt080.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.516534&lon=-110.194974
./ND/usausb/nd.us002buswil.wpt:Bro +ND1804 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.146553&lon=-103.621888
./ND/usausb/nd.us085buswil.wpt:Bro +ND1804 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.146553&lon=-103.621888
./NE/usanes/ne.s15a.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.469102&lon=-101.741890
./NE/usaus/ne.us020.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.378749&lon=-97.366145
./NOR/norfv0/nor.fv037.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.704902&lon=9.555981
./NV/usanv/nv.nv396.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.185814&lon=-118.469452
./NY/usany/ny.ny022.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.172462&lon=-73.327475
./NY/usany/ny.ny032.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.930001&lon=-74.005655
./NY/usaus/ny.us009.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.848651&lon=-73.937473
./OK/usaok/ok.ok003ada.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.600060&lon=-96.345592
./OR/usaor/or.or099e.wpt:Bro +Brdwy http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.534747&lon=-122.661173
./PA/usapa/pa.pa033.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.861315&lon=-75.294402
./POL/poldk/pol.dk039.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.799751&lon=16.960487
./POL/poldw1/done/pol.dw177.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.303185&lon=16.188569
./POL/poldw1/done/pol.dw196.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.603751&lon=17.035503
./RI/usari/ri.ri103.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.813680&lon=-71.370438
./RI/usaus/ri.us006.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.815917&lon=-71.439374
./RI/usaus/ri.us044.wpt:Bro Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.820167&lon=-71.368126
./SRB/eure/srb.e763.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.230759&lon=19.717884
./SRB/srbb/srb.b023.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.230759&lon=19.717884
./SWE/eure/swe.e22.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=56.321987&lon=16.032572
./SWE/swel/swe.l116.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=56.325824&lon=14.578654
./SWE/swel/swe.l261.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.325467&lon=17.901481
./SWE/swer/swe.r025.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=56.722877&lon=13.157673
./SWE/swer/swe.r051.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=58.801851&lon=15.425084
./SWE/swer/swe.r062.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=60.658209&lon=12.979317
./TN/usatn/tn.tn066.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.395636&lon=-83.012360
./TN/usatn/tn.tn070.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.395636&lon=-83.012360
./TX/usatx/tx.tx225.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=29.713343&lon=-95.278182
./TX/usatxl/tx.lp368.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=29.477922&lon=-98.462804
./TX/usaus/tx.us090.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=30.047564&lon=-94.335270
./UKR/eure/ukr.e87.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.368790&lon=28.787527
./UKR/ukrm/ukr.m015.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.368790&lon=28.787527
./WLS/gbna/wls.a0470.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.867783&lon=-3.914738
./WLS/gbna/wls.a0487.wpt:Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.867783&lon=-3.914738

And the following points labeled "Bdwy":

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./CA/usaush/ca.us080hissan.wpt:Bdwy http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.715720&lon=-117.153804
./CA/usaush/ca.us101hissan.wpt:Bdwy http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.715757&lon=-117.171099
./CA/usaush/ca.us395hissan.wpt:Bdwy http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.715720&lon=-117.153804
./CO/usaco/co.co088.wpt:Bdwy http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.624070&lon=-104.988012
./IMN/imna/imn.a011.wpt:Bdwy +Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.157207&lon=-4.477014
./OK/usaush/ok.us066hiselr.wpt:Bdwy http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.447875&lon=-99.170237

4 of the 6 are in devel systems.

For fun, I also checked "Bway", which is slightly more popular:

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./IA/usaus/ia.us218.wpt:Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.538315&lon=-92.390771
./ID/usaid/id.id024.wpt:Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.754692&lon=-113.498294
./KS/usaus/ks.us024.wpt:Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.215780&lon=-96.178050
./MO/usamo/mo.mo163.wpt:Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.951650&lon=-92.334123
./MO/usamo/mo.mo366.wpt:Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.586149&lon=-90.226936
./MO/usamo/mo.mo740.wpt:Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.953936&lon=-92.371416
./NH/usaus/nh.us003.wpt:Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.142139&lon=-71.453286

There are no "Brwy" primary labels, but we do have a couple "Brdwy":

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./OR/usaor/or.or099.wpt:Brdwy http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.050074&lon=-123.086486
./OR/usaor/or.or126busspr.wpt:Brdwy http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.050074&lon=-123.086486

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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2017, 12:45:52 am »
There was some back & forth on Bro vs the alternatives back in the CHM days, with Bro being the accepted standard -- standard truncation of a single word of >4 letters, thus "Bro".
As you can see, I changed the ME9 entry to conform. ME77 has Bro_E & Bro_W, which aren't in the above results.
I've changed the NH and KS examples to Bro.

Edit: Jim, can you do a search for labels containing, rather than just matching, "Bway"? Just in case I have some more Bway_Foo labels to change...
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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2017, 08:38:51 am »
Jim, can you do a search for labels containing, rather than just matching, "Bway"? Just in case I have some more Bway_Foo labels to change...

Sure.  Omitting matching alt labels.  Just a couple more show up.

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./IA/usaus/ia.us218.wpt:Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.538315&lon=-92.390771
./ID/usaid/id.id024.wpt:Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.754692&lon=-113.498294
./ID/usaid/id.id075.wpt:BwayRun http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.634606&lon=-114.355788
../MO/usamo/mo.mo163.wpt:Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.951650&lon=-92.334123
./MO/usamo/mo.mo231.wpt:Bway_S http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.522401&lon=-90.277576
./MO/usamo/mo.mo366.wpt:Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.586149&lon=-90.226936
./MO/usamo/mo.mo740.wpt:Bway http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.953936&lon=-92.371416

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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2017, 11:16:00 am »
TN70 - fine
TN72 - fine
TN73 - fine
TN73Tow - fine
TN74 - fine
TN75 - fine
TN76 - fine
TN76Cla - fine
TN76Whi - fine
TN77 - fine
TN77Mil - fine
TN77New - fine
TN78 - fine
TN79 - fine
TN80 - fine
TN81 - fine
TN82 - fine
TN83 - fine
TN84 - fine
TN85 - fine
TN87 - fine
TN88 - point at OldUS412?
TN89 - TNs89_W -> US45W_N; TNs89_E -> US45W_S
TN90 - fine
TN91 - fine
TN92 - fine
TN93 - fine
TN94 - fine
TN95 - fine
TN96 - fine
TN97 - fine
TN98 - fine
TN99 - fine
TN99Bra - fine
TN99Hoh - fine

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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2017, 10:24:11 am »
TN100 - fine
TN101 - move hidden wpt 22 to a nearby road
TN102 - fine
TN103 - fine
TN104 - fine
TN104Dye - fine
TN104TrkDye - move shaping point to Market Street?
TN105 - fine
TN107 - fine
TN107Del - fine
TN108 - TN56_S -> TN56_A; TN56 -> TN56_S; TN55Bus/56_S _> TN56_B (no intersection with concurrent TN55Bus) The labels for TN56 are going to be messy, but the mess can be better.
TN109 - fine

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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2017, 05:48:13 pm »
instead of TN56_A, TN56_S, TN56_B, why not just go straight to TN56_A, TN56_B, TN56_C. More intuitive; doesn't mix-n-match labeling styles.
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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #57 on: June 15, 2017, 03:56:46 am »
instead of TN56_A, TN56_S, TN56_B, why not just go straight to TN56_A, TN56_B, TN56_C. More intuitive; doesn't mix-n-match labeling styles.
Yes, though TN56_N would have to be added into the mix and so it would go up to _D.

The concurrency in the middle (as opposed to the useless one at the north end) is currently between TN56_N and TN56.

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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2017, 07:44:38 am »
I've never liked that part of Tim's waypoint labeling.  Always preferred a more a descriptive waypoint for multiple route crossings, like TN56Coa (for Coalmont) or TN56Alt (for Altamont).

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Re: Tennessee State Highways (usatn)
« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2017, 08:46:56 am »
Yes, 3 letter suffixes (or AbcN and AbcS for the middle set of close points) would be better.