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Re: usanp (U.S. National Park Highways)
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2017, 12:54:44 pm »
Some suggestions...

SD: road through Badlands NP (SD 240 is not posted in the park although SD 377 is.)
North SD 377 is signed TO SD 240, so it's implied. I've lived West River for a long time, and never felt like 240 was discontinuous like the Yellowstone routes.
Plus, the official route logs have 240 continuous through the park. Here:
 http://www.sddot.com/transportation/highways/planning/pavement/Default.aspx
SD240 wasn't (well not that section anyway) in the usasd section, so I added the whole thing from I-90 to I-90. SD maintainer to sort out?

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However, the Devils Tower road in WY should be (if Monuments count, that is), because it's an implied continuation of WY 110 (some maps even have WY 110 continuing into the park though that's not the case).
Done. Monuments count, I feel.
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Other potential WY ones would be the Grand Teton NP main road (Teton Park Road) and the Moose-Wilson Road (connecting to WY 390).
done and done

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Also, since the other scenic drives in Utah are in, the Capitol Reef one should be in as well.
done

I wouldn't mind if Pacific Ave through Medora, ND (old US 10)
That doesn't belong in usanp, but is signed as business loop of I-94, and included in usaib.
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and East River Rd and Scenic Loop Dr through Theodore Roosevelt NP (South Unit) were added... ;)
(I think Scenic Loop Dr in the North Unit should be added as well)
done, done and done

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Re: usanp (U.S. National Park Highways)
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2017, 02:02:01 pm »

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NC:  road from BRP to Craggy Gardens?
I couldn't find the road (I found Craggy Gardens and it seems to be pretty much directly on the BRP)


It is this road:  https://goo.gl/maps/CogPxudeA1M2

This might be too short at 1.1 miles...I was thinking it was longer than that from memory of the last time I was there in 2011...

There is a much longer spur road off Blue Ridge Pkwy near Cherokee...technically the BRP part of this road ends at the Masonic Monument, though the road to the end is still a US gov't road.

https://goo.gl/maps/R7hcVycn4Vn

Also there are 2 BRP Spurs in the Roanoke VA area...

Here is the endpoint of one of them https://goo.gl/maps/VrysiYLz93R2 where it is ~2.5 miles to the BRP (https://goo.gl/maps/Lnvp29XBxVH2)

The other is the spur to Explore Park (~1.5 miles) - https://goo.gl/maps/xppL931xm1U2

Also there is a BRP spur to Linville Falls (~1.5 miles) - https://goo.gl/maps/cB6kPFxmQeo

These last 4 BRP Spurs are explicitly shown on the NPS map of the BRP - https://www.nps.gov/blri/planyourvisit/upload/blrimap-2.pdf

Another potential addition is Laurel Creek Rd/Cades Cove Loop in Smoky Mtn NP.  This is all paved and the loop part is one way.  It is 18 miles not counting the return trip back from the loop to TN 73:  https://goo.gl/maps/Tv9L7Tj2ySE2


What is the stance on National Battlefields?  This 3.6 mile road has a fee gate and an interchange with VA 36...(this one is interesting as it begins at VA 36 and you MUST go north first then you can double back and cross VA 36 to do the tour road which is one-way to US 301...
https://goo.gl/maps/a8jM5p6jefC2


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Re: usanp (U.S. National Park Highways)
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2017, 02:17:45 pm »
Sunrise Rd - Mt Rainier NP (WA)
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Chain of Craters Rd and Crater Rim Drive - Hawaii Volcanoes NP
done. Madame Pele took away half of Crater Rim Drive, and I've not got the road through the park entrance mapped.

Also in HI, on Maui the part of Haleakala Crater Road (to the summit) that isn't in HI 378.
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Haleakala NP has an important road in its coastal unit, but it's part of CR 31, and isolated from the state route system.
Perhaps add the whole of CR31 from HI37 to HI360 as "Hana Highway, Haleakalā NP"? OK, only two short stretches are actually in the National Park, but it seems an odd omission from the state highway network.


Just a heads up to collaborators if you want to add or change routes in your states - feel free - not least as it saves me doing it! Any comments/peer review would be gladly received.

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Re: usanp (U.S. National Park Highways)
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2017, 04:05:38 pm »

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NC:  road from BRP to Craggy Gardens?
I couldn't find the road (I found Craggy Gardens and it seems to be pretty much directly on the BRP)


It is this road:  https://goo.gl/maps/CogPxudeA1M2

This might be too short at 1.1 miles...I was thinking it was longer than that from memory of the last time I was there in 2011...
I've left it off
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There is a much longer spur road off Blue Ridge Pkwy near Cherokee...technically the BRP part of this road ends at the Masonic Monument, though the road to the end is still a US gov't road.
Added (listed as a road in GSM NP)

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Also there are 2 BRP Spurs in the Roanoke VA area...

Here is the endpoint of one of them https://goo.gl/maps/VrysiYLz93R2 where it is ~2.5 miles to the BRP (https://goo.gl/maps/Lnvp29XBxVH2)

The other is the spur to Explore Park (~1.5 miles) - https://goo.gl/maps/xppL931xm1U2

Also there is a BRP spur to Linville Falls (~1.5 miles) - https://goo.gl/maps/cB6kPFxmQeo
all three added
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Another potential addition is Laurel Creek Rd/Cades Cove Loop in Smoky Mtn NP.  This is all paved and the loop part is one way.  It is 18 miles not counting the return trip back from the loop to TN 73:  https://goo.gl/maps/Tv9L7Tj2ySE2
This is included, along with the link across to (AASHTO-recognised, but unsigned) US441, as four routes.
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What is the stance on National Battlefields?
I say legit.
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This 3.6 mile road has a fee gate and an interchange with VA 36...(this one is interesting as it begins at VA 36 and you MUST go north first then you can double back and cross VA 36 to do the tour road which is one-way to US 301...
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Re: usanp (U.S. National Park Highways)
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2017, 04:10:58 pm »
Some suggestions...

SD: road through Badlands NP (SD 240 is not posted in the park although SD 377 is.)
North SD 377 is signed TO SD 240, so it's implied. I've lived West River for a long time, and never felt like 240 was discontinuous like the Yellowstone routes.
Plus, the official route logs have 240 continuous through the park. Here:
 http://www.sddot.com/transportation/highways/planning/pavement/Default.aspx
SD240 wasn't (well not that section anyway) in the usasd section, so I added the whole thing from I-90 to I-90. SD maintainer to sort out?
That makes sense; even outside the park the 240 reassurance shields have "Badlands Loop Road" trailblazers, so it's almost like a signed route.
Here's SD 240: http://tm.teresco.org/hb/index.php?u=the_spui_ninja&r=sd.sd240
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Re: usanp (U.S. National Park Highways)
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2017, 04:19:24 pm »
For Colorado, the Great Sand Dunes road and Black Canyon assorted roads (continuations of CO 150 and 347), as well as Rim Rock Drive in Colorado National Monument would make sense.

Here's a Black Canyon map: https://www.nps.gov/blca/planyourvisit/upload/BLCAmap_2013_w-masthead.pdf
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Re: usanp (U.S. National Park Highways)
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2017, 04:27:23 pm »
Some suggestions...

SD: road through Badlands NP (SD 240 is not posted in the park although SD 377 is.)
North SD 377 is signed TO SD 240, so it's implied. I've lived West River for a long time, and never felt like 240 was discontinuous like the Yellowstone routes.
Plus, the official route logs have 240 continuous through the park. Here:
 http://www.sddot.com/transportation/highways/planning/pavement/Default.aspx
SD240 wasn't (well not that section anyway) in the usasd section, so I added the whole thing from I-90 to I-90. SD maintainer to sort out?
That makes sense; even outside the park the 240 reassurance shields have "Badlands Loop Road" trailblazers, so it's almost like a signed route.
Here's SD 240: http://tm.teresco.org/hb/index.php?u=the_spui_ninja&r=sd.sd240
Gah, I opened SD204 instead of SD240. Never mind, it didn't take me that long.

However, if it's in usasd, then should it be in usanp?

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Re: usanp (U.S. National Park Highways)
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2017, 04:36:10 pm »
Some suggestions...

SD: road through Badlands NP (SD 240 is not posted in the park although SD 377 is.)
North SD 377 is signed TO SD 240, so it's implied. I've lived West River for a long time, and never felt like 240 was discontinuous like the Yellowstone routes.
Plus, the official route logs have 240 continuous through the park. Here:
 http://www.sddot.com/transportation/highways/planning/pavement/Default.aspx
SD240 wasn't (well not that section anyway) in the usasd section, so I added the whole thing from I-90 to I-90. SD maintainer to sort out?
That makes sense; even outside the park the 240 reassurance shields have "Badlands Loop Road" trailblazers, so it's almost like a signed route.
Here's SD 240: http://tm.teresco.org/hb/index.php?u=the_spui_ninja&r=sd.sd240
Gah, I opened SD204 instead of SD240. Never mind, it didn't take me that long.

However, if it's in usasd, then should it be in usanp?
Well, according to the AARoads discussion, probably not, but like I said, every shield outside of the park is of the format DIRECTIONAL---Badlands Loop---SD 240 so it could be considered a route in its own right.
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Re: usanp (U.S. National Park Highways)
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2017, 05:41:46 pm »
Since monuments count, Dunes Drive in White Sands NM - NM.

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Re: usanp (U.S. National Park Highways)
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2017, 05:53:33 pm »
Si's new additions are part of the site update now in progress.

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« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2017, 06:34:26 pm »
That update failed because of a typo I missed.  I'm rerunning with even more changes pulled in.

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« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2017, 07:11:13 pm »
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« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2017, 07:56:11 pm »
Would Lafayette Rd through Chickamauga & Chattanooga National Military Park (NW Georgia) qualify?
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Re: usanp (U.S. National Park Highways)
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2017, 12:23:35 am »

I wouldn't mind if Pacific Ave through Medora, ND (old US 10)
That doesn't belong in usanp, but is signed as business loop of I-94, and included in usaib.

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Re: usanp (U.S. National Park Highways)
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2017, 01:03:56 am »
Olympic National Park might have some roads. The roads to Hurricane Ridge and the Hoh Rain Forest are fairly significant, but unfortunately they cut across non-NPS territory before they intersect US 101.