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Offline yakra

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Texas systems
« on: November 05, 2017, 01:57:11 am »
I also drove all of Park Road 46, with the standard square.  Are we currently not including such routes?
Currently not including them. They're considered their own system by TXDOT. It would be possible to add them (as their own discrete system would seem to make the most sense), but I haven't given the thought much more than a meh. It'd be a low priority, after the FM roads.

TXDOT system codes as listed here:

IH - Interstate Highway
        Active in usai.
US - US Highway
        Active in usaus.
UA - US Highway Alternate
        Active in usausb.
SH - State Highway
        Active in usatx.
SL/SS - State Highway Loops and Spurs
        Active in usatxl & usatxs. Considered one system by TXDOT; split into two for TM purposes.
BI - Off Interstate Business Route
        Active in usaib.
BS - Off State Business Route
        Active as bannered routes in usatx.
BU - Off US Business Route
        Active in usausb.

BF - Off Farm or Ranch to Market Road Business Route
        These would be included as bannered routes in the respective usatxf and usatxr systems.
UR - Urban Road
        These have been redesignated from the same-numbered FM or RM route.
        In the field, they're signed with an ordinary FM or RM shield; Joe Traveler will not be able to tell the difference.
        Active routes in the HB use FM42 and RM42 style labels for these intersections.
        The idea is to fold them into the usatxf or usatxr systems on a case-by-case basis.

RR - Ranch Road
        Quoth the glossary: "Only one?Ranch Road 1; considered part of the Farm to Market Road system."
        Odd; I have to wonder whether that's in error. Could maybe complicate my plans to include it with the RM roads.

FM - Farm to Market Road
        These would be included as usatxf. In the long-range plans.
RM - Ranch to Market Road
        These would be included as usatxr.In the long-range plans.
PR - Park Road
        Signed. Could conceivably be their own system. Low priority, after usatxf & usatxr.
RE - Recreation Road
        I forget whether these are signed.
PA - Principal Arterial State System
        Not signed AFAIK.
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Re: Texas systems
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2017, 03:02:45 am »
BF - Off Farm or Ranch to Market Road Business Route
        These would be included as bannered routes in the respective usatxf or usatxr systems.

Do you suggest one or two systems?

RR - Ranch Road
        Quoth the glossary: "Only one?Ranch Road 1; considered part of the Farm to Market Road system."
        Odd; I have to wonder whether that's in error. Could maybe complicate my plans to include it with the RM roads.

I think it's only a "special" FM/RM route because it leads to the former ranch of a special person: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranch_Road_1. I would put it to FM/RM system.

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Re: Texas systems
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2017, 10:34:50 am »
BF - Off Farm or Ranch to Market Road Business Route
        These would be included as bannered routes in the respective usatxf or usatxr systems.
Do you suggest one or two systems?
Two. I've edited my previous post to read "and", not "or".

RR - Ranch Road
        Quoth the glossary: "Only one?Ranch Road 1; considered part of the Farm to Market Road system."
        Odd; I have to wonder whether that's in error. Could maybe complicate my plans to include it with the RM roads.
I think it's only a "special" FM/RM route because it leads to the former ranch of a special person: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranch_Road_1. I would put it to FM/RM system.
Exactly. The only question here was which of the two; TXDOT's (erroneous?) description leads to a bit of confusion. As a RANCH (to Market) road would seem to make the most sense, wouldn't it. Plus, there's already an FM 1 elsewhere.
In any case, it looks to be signed with a perfectly normal RM style shield, so into usatxr it goes. (Much like I'm doing with the Urban Roads.)
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Re: Texas systems
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2017, 06:54:07 pm »
UR - Urban Road
        These have been redesignated from the same-numbered FM or RM route.
        In the field, they're signed with an ordinary FM or RM shield; Joe Traveler will not be able to tell the difference.
        Active routes in the HB use FM42 and RM42 style labels for these intersections.
        The idea is to fold them into the usatxf or usatxr systems on a case-by-case basis.

I support this approach. Precedent exists in usamts, where sections of Urban Routes that are signed as part of Secondary Routes are included in the system.

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RE - Recreation Road
        I forget whether these are signed.

At least one is.

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Re: Texas systems
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2018, 11:26:19 am »
Been lurking and stumbled across this thread.  Hoping some of this might help:

RR - Ranch Road
        Quoth the glossary

I believe RR 1 exists as well as RM 1.  Just would need to take that into consideration.

PA - Principal Arterial State System
        Not signed AFAIK.

PA 1604 is signed on a BGS in San Antonio.  However, I don't believe it is signed anywhere else except there.

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Re: Texas systems
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2018, 01:57:41 pm »
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I believe RR 1 exists as well as RM 1.  Just would need to take that into consideration.
Just RR 1, no RM 1.
(Query "Route Number" = 1, leaving "Type of Route" blank)

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PA 1604 is signed on a BGS in San Antonio.  However, I don't believe it is signed anywhere else except there.
SL 1604 is in San Antonio. Well signed of course. Did you mean SL 1604, or a different PA in San Antonio, or PA 1604 in Corpus Christi?

In any case, being for the most part a system not signed with standard route shields, the Principal Arterial State System would not be included.

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Re: Texas systems
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2018, 05:31:32 pm »
Oops, completely thought I knew what I was talking about, but got it all wrong.. :)

I was thinking of the RM off of the top of my head, maybe I had the FM confused.  I apologize for that mistake.

PA 1502 is the one I was thinking of, Wurzbach Pkwy in San Antonio.  Its Exit 169 on I-35.
Personal opinion here: I don't even think anyone realizes these exist.  I wouldn't put too much, if any, time into this system.

I can tell you, having just been in Corpus Christi, PA 1604 is not signed whatsoever.

Guess I'll begin checking myself before I make posts on a whim :)

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Re: Texas systems
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2018, 02:10:44 pm »
I was thinking of the RM off of the top of my head, maybe I had the FM confused.  I apologize for that mistake.
Ah yes. I wondered if that was the case too. :)

PA 1502 is the one I was thinking of, Wurzbach Pkwy in San Antonio.  Its Exit 169 on I-35.
Wow there it is, signed plain as day from both I-35 and US281.
While Googling around I checked out the ramps US281 needs a point for Wurzback Pkwy. It should replace the NakDr point.
Meh, do I label it WurPkwy, or PA1502? I like WurPkwy. If no one realizes these exist...
Meh. Stupid truck routes.

Personal opinion here: I don't even think anyone realizes these exist.  I wouldn't put too much, if any, time into this system.
I agree. If these for the most part are unsigned, and PA 1502 is just a one-off (possibly even some sort of goof?), there's no point in making a system for just this one route.

Guess I'll begin checking myself before I make posts on a whim :)
Lol, I don't mean to cause embarrassment. Figured you were on to something, just wasn't sure what. :)
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Re: Texas systems
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2018, 09:43:45 pm »
PA 1502 is the one I was thinking of, Wurzbach Pkwy in San Antonio.  Its Exit 169 on I-35.
Wow there it is, signed plain as day from both I-35 and US281.
While Googling around I checked out the ramps US281 needs a point for Wurzback Pkwy. It should replace the NakDr point.
Meh, do I label it WurPkwy, or PA1502? I like WurPkwy. If no one realizes these exist...
Meh. Stupid truck routes.

Via standalone shields too!


It's signed consistently enough that it's most likely deliberate. Even if it is a one off...

I would not use "PA1502" as a label though since the prefix "PA" is used for Pennsylvania state highways (none of those in Texas, but still). Perhaps "TXPA1502", mirroring how intersections with loops and spurs are labeled.

Given its consistent signage I would say it warrants potential inclusion in the future.