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AL: US231BusOza (missing route?)
« on: January 16, 2018, 04:50:22 pm »
Discovered a well signed business route for US231 in Ozark Alabama that is not in the HB. From the south, it follows AL123 into town. Downtown, US231Bus turns left following AL27 back to US231. Attached is a picture at the intersection of AL123 and AL27 in downtown Ozark.

I have no idea if this is an officially recognized route, but it is signed better than many. Should this be added to the HB?

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Re: AL: US231BusOza (missing route?)
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2018, 09:24:17 pm »
As best as I can tell, it was never requested through AASHTO.

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Re: AL: US231BusOza (missing route?)
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2018, 06:52:58 am »
So how does TM deal with well-signed, "unofficial" US business routes? Are they left out?

It wouldn't add any extra mileage to clinch if the AL state route system were active, so in the long run may not matter. Just something I noticed on a trip and wasn't sure what (if anything) should be done.

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Re: AL: US231BusOza (missing route?)
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2018, 12:12:16 pm »
And AASHTO isn't really a big decision-maker for this type of thing.

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Re: AL: US231BusOza (missing route?)
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2018, 01:00:27 pm »
And AASHTO isn't really a big decision-maker for this type of thing.

Some states run this kind of stuff past AASHTO (for example, lately a lot of that has been coming out of Arkansas), while others pretty much ignore AASHTO except for the most major changes. I don't know where Alabama is on that spectrum, but froggie would know better.

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Re: AL: US231BusOza (missing route?)
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2018, 01:50:41 pm »
If ALDOT had submitted this to AASHTO, what's the likelihood that it would have been denied?
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Re: AL: US231BusOza (missing route?)
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2018, 01:05:59 pm »
Minimal, especially if ALDOT requested it at the same time they 4-laned US 231 (sometime in the '60s there, IIRC).

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Re: AL: US231BusOza (missing route?)
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2018, 03:41:17 pm »
So does it get added to the HB or not?

Not a major concern, but there are other similar situations. I saw at least one US84Bus sign in Enterprise, AL at the corner of Lee St. Didn't check for others, but it did not seem to be well signed.

On a separate note, US84 is now routed on a bypass north of Elba, AL. It looked like a recent change. I did not see any "Business" signage here. In the HB, US84 is still goes through town. I drove AL87 south to north and noticed the US84 junction signs on the north edge of town (Bypass St). This one I did not stop to photograph.

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Re: AL: US231BusOza (missing route?)
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2018, 10:08:49 pm »
I can confirm the US84 move, and there were no business route signs on either side of town (I was on 84 around Elba).